You’re Not Losing People—You’re Losing the Version of You That Needed Them

No one talks enough about this part of healing…

The grief.

The loneliness.
The relationships that start to shift when you begin changing.
The uncomfortable feeling of outgrowing the version of yourself everyone else was familiar with.

In this episode of Relentlessly Authentic, Rachael and Gaby dive into the emotional reality of personal growth—the part that isn’t always aesthetic, inspiring, or easy.

Because becoming who you’re meant to be often requires letting go of who you used to be.

And sometimes… the people attached to that version of you struggle with it too.

We talk about:
– the emotional toll of transformation
– grieving old identities while stepping into new ones
– navigating relationships during periods of growth
– understanding projections, insecurities, and emotional triggers
– the power of self-trust and positive inner dialogue
– creating inner safety through boundaries and emotional awareness
– why healing can feel lonely before it feels freeing

This conversation also explores the deeper truth about up-leveling:

There is a cost to becoming.

Not because growth is punishment—
but because expansion asks you to release what no longer aligns.

We dive into the importance of mindfulness, surrender, trusting the process, and learning how to stop controlling every outcome so you can actually flow with life instead of fighting against it.

Because healing isn’t about becoming perfect.

It’s about becoming honest.

Honest about what hurts.
What no longer fits.
What your soul is asking for.
And what you’re finally ready to leave behind.

If you’ve been feeling disconnected, emotional, misunderstood, or afraid of outgrowing people around you—this episode will remind you that you are not alone.

Your healing may cost you your old life—
but it will introduce you to your real one.

Find Rachael on Instagram @highvibeyogii

Find Gaby on Instagram @rising.monarca and @gabrielafverdusco on Tik Tok 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Welcome back to her letterlessly on the morning, everyone.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

Good morning. Welcome back, Rach. So happy to see your golden face. You're looking so bright and light and beautiful. Yeah, the sun is hitting me. It feels so good. But at the same time, I'm like relishing in it. In like three minutes, it's gonna, it's gonna disappear.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Yeah. So relish it. So why don't we take a few deep breaths so you can kind of relish in it? So everyone who's listening, if you feel safe to, why don't you go ahead and close down your eyes?

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Just notice your inhales and your exhales.

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Maybe tune in to are we breathing from our belly? Are we breathing from our chest? Allow the shoulders to fall away from your ears. Can we stand a little bit taller and long gaining our spine?

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Notice what subtle shifts have already occurred. Just tuning our awareness back into our internal space, our internal world. And then option to place a hand on your heart, a hand on your belly. Take an inhale through our nose, breathe into the belly, allow it to inflate. And then open mouth, exhale, sigh it out and let it go. Take it two more times, breath in, fill up. Open mouth, let it go. One more breathe in. And sigh it out. And while we're still in this juicy space, maybe place both hands on your heart and start to feel into what you're grateful for. Allow that to bring a smile to your face.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Feel your energy change, your frequency shift.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

And allow that feeling of gratitude to encompass your whole body. Like it's upgrading your aura. And allow that bit of gratitude to guide you for the rest of your day.

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When things get stressful or you feel overwhelmed or anxious or overstimulated, can we take a few deep breaths and come back to that feeling of gratitude?

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Which is a pathway to a feeling of abundance, of safety. So we're finding awareness in this moment.

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We're interrupting a moment of maybe anxiousness. And then we're retraining the body to find safety amongst that anxiousness.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

It's a good nervous system heck. And from this place, scab you and I.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

I hope this episode lands and we get to hold the space honestly and wholly.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

Maybe start to blink your eyes and flutter them open little by little in your sunlight. So good. So good. So good. Miss Scab. It was fun having Jess on last week. I'll be excited for the next one. Yeah, Jess is always a good time. She is. Just her energy is very uplifting and I don't know. It's like a blanket. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah. Yeah. She is, you know, fits in, I feel like really well with us, which is but today something I wanted to talk into is kind of the price we pay for like leveling up, okay, for playing a bigger game, for doing the work amongst becoming a new version of yourself, amongst everyone kind of in your life still being the old version of themselves. I think this can be a little off-putting for people if you've never experienced this. And I think, like we've talked about before, and like you said, Gab, it can feel lonely when you are changing and the way you do things are changing, your behaviors are changing, your habits are changing, you're embodying a new identity. And then people are not keeping up with you as like you're at your growth rate. And this, I think, is something is like a price we pay for essentially playing a bigger game and wanting more for yourself and deciding that you're gonna go after it and becoming kind of that identity, and then having to almost feel like you're being brought down by, you know, your environments that you're still in and how to navigate those. And I think, I guess also, Gab, I feel like you're amongst that right now and in that kind of up-level like quantum leap, but it's still feeling a little sticky and stagnant and tough. So I think you're in a great place to speak into this, but I've definitely experienced this many times and have lost a lot of people along the way. And you know, people come for a season or come for a lifetime, and that's just a part of life and growing. But I think it can feel like if you're not on solid ground of like you're in that true new identity yet. I think sometimes we can kind of cling on to those old relationships or patterns or ways of coping because it does feel like safety and like we don't want to lose people because we're already feeling kind of alone on the journey. But I think the more that we can know it's a part of the process, the more we can trust that like other people are gonna find their way to us. So just wondering, kind of what are your biggest growth spurt takeaways in terms of like, you know, leveling up. You got me, you've had a huge physical transformation, which we have both, I feel like glowed up or gone through that before. But I think people start to, they don't know how to relate to you anymore because that brings up their own sense of insecurities. So you have a physical glow up, right? You then have an internal glow up, and then you start acting and start doing things that you actually really want to do because now your belief system has changed about yourself. And now you believe you're worthy of the things, the dreams, you start going after what you want. And that can look like a lot of different things, right? Either getting a promotion and a job or starting a business or deciding you want to travel or have kids. Like I think that can be multi-layered. But I think when you start leaving kind of like the status quo of what people have like boxed you in as people relate to you differently. So, what have you kind of experienced in that topic?

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Wow, I've experienced all of it.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

I think the biggest takeaway from all of this is that in order for us to really level up, there is gonna be a sense of you having to let go of comfort zones, relationships, individuals, you know, environments, behaviors, etc. You know, there's so much that is gonna change. And you don't realize that at the beginning. You don't realize that as you start to step foot into this journey. And I think the biggest grief for me is realizing that the people that I thought in my life were forever people, people that have been in my life forever, right? And to all of a sudden have them no longer be part of my life because they don't understand, or because they feel like I'm being selfish, or because they feel like I'm to them being fake or not being authentic or not sharing this or not sharing that, or why do I behave like this, and why am I spending so much time with myself? And why am I not more focused on my kids like I should be? And what they failed to understand is that I was absolutely devoted to my kids and my spouse for the last almost 20 years, right? And I alienated myself from myself to be devoted to that. And my kids are no longer kids. My youngest is 14 and the rest are all adults, right? The youngest one from there is like he's about to be 19, and then I have a 20-year-old and a 23-year-old. They're no longer kids. So I no longer need to be devoted to them. I've realized that actually my devotion has actually caused a huge disservice to them because I have enabled them so much where there is a lot of expectations that comes from my kids because I am their mom. They feel like I have to do all these things for them. And anytime they're in a bind, I have to get them out of it, right? Or if they don't have enough money for this, I need to pay for that. I need to cover this, or you know, food has to be ready when they decide to sit down and eat. I mean, there's so many expectations, but and I get frustrated now, but I also have to take responsibility for that because I created that, right? I I am responsible for that. I made them this way because of my devotion to them. I was always there when they needed me. Anytime they needed food, anytime they wanted to go get something, they needed help with something, I would always be like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it for you. I'm gonna do it for you, right? And so there's so much grieving that happens, Rach. And I do think I am in the thick of it, but not just grieving of people that I thought were gonna be in my life forever. There's grieving of versions of myself that I thought were gonna be forever. There's grieving of a life that I thought was gonna be together. There's grieving of a relationship, a marriage that I thought was gonna be forever, right? There's grieving of a family that I was gonna have that I thought was gonna be forever. There's grieving of the weight that I've lost, right? That kind of shielded me for so long, kept me invisible, kept me in my mind safe because then nobody needed to look at me. Nobody noticed me. And for me, there was a level of comfort there and safety because of that. I mean, there's so much grieving that happens that I think we don't stop and think about these things. We just think, oh, we're gonna do the work and we're gonna heal and it's gonna be great, and we're gonna be in a much better place. And we are. A lot of the healing is going through very, very hard stuff. A lot of it. And when you do level up, every time you level up, you're filtering out more and more people. And I've definitely gotten to the place where I don't have too many people that I feel safe with at all. You know, I'm thinking maybe three, four people at most. Even at times our parents can feel not safe, right? Because of their perspective on life and what they think is right and what they think is wrong, right? And even though they say they don't judge us, they do. They do because they're telling us you shouldn't be doing this, you should be doing that, because that's what they feel is right, which doesn't make them wrong, but it doesn't make me wrong either. And learning to not take those things personal, right? Really, I've taken the outlook I've really took in is like this world is filled with wounded people, right? Everybody's carrying around their wounds, their traumas, their fears, their insecurities. And 90% out of what comes out of people's mouths is projections. And that has really helped me to take things personal and let things roll off my shoulder, you know, because I'm no longer gonna sit there and argue with somebody that I know that that argument is gonna go nowhere. I'm not gonna waste my time or my energy on it because like my energy budget is super fucking bougie, you know, and I'm not gonna allow anybody to come and disturb that because I work really hard to, like we've said, right? To be at a certain frequency. It's really, really fucking hard to stay vibrating at the frequency we want to be at. So it's really important to take inventory of that. And it's constant work. It's constant work to do that. And yes, it is fucking lonely. It is, you know, but it's not just lonely because of the people you no longer have in your life. It's lonely because even the people you still have in your life don't have the level of understanding that you have, you know?

SPEAKER_02 14:56

It's like they don't know how to support you anymore. So you become a bit of a problem. And that doesn't feel good, and you've done nothing to deserve that because it's their internal issues. And then once you start to lift up a level and other people are still down here, it creates a dissonance. And I think in that dissonance, even if people aren't aware consciously of what they're doing, how they're reacting, what they're projecting, it's like they can intuitively feel emotions, energy, things coming up that are making them uncomfortable around you. But instead of dealing with their uncomfort internally, they associate that uncomfort with you. And then I think you become the problem, right? I think that's so maybe a little esoteric for people to kind of understand. But I think I broke it down pretty well. Again, I don't think it's conscious. I think you make someone uncomfortable in that uncomfortability. They don't want to deal with those emotions. So they associate their uncomfortability with you. And that changes the dynamic in the relationship because it's they can't show up authentically because they're in a certain place. And I think for, I don't know about you, Gabby, but for myself, I'm a very empathetic person. I'm a very compassionate person. I'm very understanding. And though I can understand from like a logical perspective that that's what's going on, then my heart kind of is kind of wrenched because I there's nothing I can do about it. Right. I still love and care about this person and I want them in my life. But it's I don't also want to spend the emotional energy to try to make it work when maybe it's not supposed to. And I think for me, a lot of relationships have just naturally kind of fallen away. But I think I realized that was happening and still trying to like make it work. And then all of a sudden there was a bigger moment where things kind of fell apart. But I intuitively felt that months prior, right? Like there was an intuition within me that knew months prior that things were off. But then it took a bigger kind of moment incident for that to really like blow up like a volcano, right? Like the lava just started coming down where it's much more like in your face, you can't hide it or hold it together anymore. And it's like I said, it's as a compassionate, heartfelt person, like that. It's not like it doesn't affect me, but at the same time, it doesn't, I have to, I'm in a place where it doesn't, I don't think there's anything wrong with me. It's just a part of the letting go process. But that's gotten easier as I've done it more, right? It just that's just how it goes. It gets easier. You understand more of like that process more because I think there are different levels of change where like there's the like we have no idea that maybe we need to start eating healthier or we should be doing these things, like we're not even thinking about it. And then people do start thinking about it, and then maybe someone starts taking more action on it, and then maybe they are growing into more of that identity. But I think there is different levels of change, and you can't force that change upon anybody. They have to go through those levels.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

I think you're absolutely right. You can't force it, and you know, the hard thing is like I had somebody tell me the other day I reached out to see how they were doing, and I told them they were going through some hard stuff, depression and stuff like that. And I hadn't spoken to them in a while. And I said, I thought a lot about you, and I was praying for you, and I hope everything's well, you know. And they said, I appreciate your prayers, but you always have a way of reinserting yourself in people's lives when it's not needed. I was like, okay, you know. I was like, you know, it's clear that you're going, you're going through whatever you're going through. I will no longer reach out anymore. I said, I just wanted you to know that I was thinking about you and I was praying for you to have a little bit of peace and some peace of mind and clarity, I said, because I know you're going through a hard time. I said, but don't worry about it. I said, I will no longer reach out if my presence makes you uncomfortable. I understand. And there was like a split second where I was like, fuck you. Like, why the fuck would I make this effort to reach out? Like, why did I even waste that energy thinking about you, praying for you over the course of the last few days if this is the response I was gonna get? And then I told myself, no, it's okay. They're going through their own things. I have no idea what is going on in their mind and their body. And it's very clear that like my energy and my presence like stirs something up for them. Maybe it's the fact that I, regardless of what's going on, I can find peace, right? And I can continue on with my life and I don't let anything really steer me off course. Maybe it's that. I don't know. But yeah, for a minute there, I was like, fuck you. You know, like so I had to really catch myself and be like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is not about you. This is about them. So don't take it personal and move on, you know. But I'm the type of person, I'm just like you. I'm a really big amphest, Rach. And anytime somebody's going through something, something's happening, I feel deeply. And I want to reach out, I want to help in any way I can. And I've learned to understand that there's a time and a place, right? And that sometimes people need space or need time to process the things they need to process. And I can't always reach out when things are rough, when things have just happened, because people are not in a place where they can receive. Yeah, they can receive what you have to offer. So it's important for me. I can reach out and be like, hey, I'm here. Let me know how I can support when you're ready, you know, and things like that, but not be so much like, hey, what do you need? You know, can I help with anything? Because sometimes people are not ready to receive. And I need to not take those things so personal, you know, and just be like, okay, you know, this is this is who I am. And just because, again, like I said the last episode, just because I'm able to do things a certain way and I'm able to handle a lot on my plate emotionally, right? When it comes to like me going through my shit and other people needing my support when I'm going through my shit, doesn't mean that everybody else has the same capacity to be able to do so at the same time. So just take Inventory of that has been really helpful. But also, I wanted to circle back to what you said how when you do go through these transformations, like your physical transformation and your inner transformation, you're right. It's actually really sad to see how we've talked about this before, how people treat you different. People treat you different when you look a certain way or might be overweight or whatever. Society really does treat you different. And I've noticed that me now being the way I am makes a lot of people uncomfortable. A lot of people, and they right off the bat go towards judgment.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

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SPEAKER_03 25:19

Right. So the day that I posted that transformation post, remember?

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

I had an old friend reach out and she was like, Oh, you look really good, but didn't you use like weight loss supplements or something like that? And she's like, Didn't you have like some medication that you were on to that made you lose all the weight? Or like something like that. And and I was like, Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

I was like, What is and she did it on like directly mentioned you this the balls that people fucking have it just like astonishes me.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

Like, haven't heard I haven't spoken to her in a long time. And she's done it a couple of times with I forget, I posted a picture of myself a while ago, maybe like a year ago, and she was like, I could tell you get filler, and like, do you do Botox too? And have you done like facelifts and whatever? And I'm like, No, actually, I don't do filler. I haven't had facelifts. I have had Botox done in my forehead and like the cross feed area. I said, but that's it. But I don't get any filler. I said, I don't know. And she's oh, I was pretty sure you did. And I was like, you know, like, why is there a need to make these comments? I asked myself, right? First of all, it's not somebody that I speak to on a regular basis. So the audacity to come on social media and make those comments, right? And when she made the comment about this weight loss stuff, I said, yeah, I said, actually, I did have some help from some supplements. I said, but honestly, I said, a lot of this was work. I work out a lot. I work out six times a week. I eat healthy, I try to track my calories, I try to eat protein, you know. And she was like, Oh, that's really good. That's really good, good for you. But I just thought, like, in that moment, I thought, these are the things, these are the things that sometimes make people like it just doesn't fit well with people.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Well, because it's triggering, right? So that's triggering her. Obviously, she's having enough of a trigger, right? To comment. Now, on one side of the coin, Gabby, I'm just like, you know, why don't you be like, wow, Gabby, you look awesome. I'm on a journey as well. Would you mind sharing like what you did?

SPEAKER_03 27:37

But the crazy thing is, she's a personal trainer. She's very, very fit. She always has been. But I'm just wondering what's going on internally, you know.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Well, and I think what is interesting to like what you said earlier is just because you may look a certain way, what I have found is some of the most gorgeous, like from a like a standpoint of beauty, I think right now, in terms of like this filtered kind of look that's popular, I find some of those people to be actually the most insecure. So I again, there's like an internal dialogue that's going on all of the time of how are we speaking about ourselves, right? How are we comparing ourselves to others? What are the things that you're saying to yourself on a daily basis? The thoughts that you're having, what we're saying, our internal self-talk. Just because we look a certain way, doesn't mean that that can't be negative, right? Doesn't mean that that's not supporting in who we are and adding to our sense of not being good enough, not being pretty enough, not being worthy enough, right? That all adds, regardless of what we look like on the outside, regardless of our money, our success, our whatever. We have no idea what's going on internally in someone's internal world. And I think for some, I don't know about you, Gabby, when my internal dialogue is very negative, that affects me physically. Meaning, like, I'll notice I'm more inflamed, I'll notice that like I have more gut issues, that I'm not maybe going to the bathroom the same way anymore. That spiral affects me physically. Some people I don't think it does. For me, I'm very sensitive, and it it absolutely does. And I I was going for a run yesterday, Gab, and I have been having some like knee pain and like elbow pain, so like joint pain. And as I, as soon as the weather gets nice, it's like my body is like ready to go. It's like we're running now. So I was running and I was like, wow, this feels so fucking good. And once my knee, I felt a little something in my knee, I said, my body is really powerful. And as soon as I thought that thought, my knee pain went away. And I ran for another two miles. So we also don't understand how strong our mind-body connection is. It is so fucking powerful. And I think one of the biggest positives in terms of leveling up, we've talked about some negatives when we level up, but some of the positives are it feels so fucking good when your thoughts about yourself are empowering, where you have strong beliefs. Again, we can't show that transformation because it's internal. So it's really hard, I think, in the coaching space or the marketing world because body is so easy to notice transformation. Internal transformation is, I think, harder. But it is monumental when you actually think well about yourself, when you're thinking positively about yourself, when your internal dialogue is your biggest cheerleader, when your internal dialogue is supportive, when your internal dialogue is safe, to me, that's one of the biggest level ups that there ever could be. Now, it doesn't mean we don't get uncomfortable, doesn't mean that those thoughts won't creep in here and there. But when the majority of the time that you don't have to think about it because the work has finally really set in and you're in this new state where it's just coming natural, that is one of the biggest wins I think that you can have in your level up transformation game, your growth game. Because it feels so fucking good when you also you become unstoppable.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

You become unstoppable. You really do. I mean, Dr. Dispenza talks about what this actually does, you know, and you really do your mind having that mind-body connection. Like once your transformation has happened internal, like there's just no stopping you. You believe in yourself, you support yourself, you love yourself.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

And there's like a pressure because you know it's gonna happen. There's less pressure when you aren't so worried about money because it's gonna happen, it money always supports you. When you have positive money thoughts, when you have faith, when you believe in yourself, things become much less overwhelming, anxious, because you trust that you got you, the world's got you, and that you are unstoppable, that the money will come, the next idea will come. It's undeniably unstoppable because there is less pressure. And just because you don't have this whole world of where you want to be right now, you know it's coming. You know you can do it, you know you will take the steps. That sense of self-trust is your biggest strength, your biggest thing, I think you need in order to be successful in whatever game you're trying to play. When you have that and you strengthen that, you I do think become unstoppable. That's a good word.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Because then you don't need anybody else to support you. You don't need that outside validation. You don't need people to have those attachments gap.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

You're gonna get criticism and you're gonna get love. You're gonna get both.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

The more knowing that the criticism is actual like envy, right? It's not even like you're doing something wrong. It's just like I'm doing something wrong, and you're showing me that I'm doing something wrong. Therefore, that's why I'm criticizing you, right? It's like I see judgment. Like you shine so bright that you are shining what is missing in me, I see in you, right? And that's why I'm criticizing. A lot of times I've learned that. I've learned that even with myself, when I'm out there and I'm like, ew, or this or that. And I'm like, oh, it's it's like what Jess said the other day, right? Not being able to say no, that bothers me when my cousin was able to say no, right? It was me always showing up for her, always being like, yes, yes, yes, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. When she was always like, no, I can't, I can't, I can't, and me getting upset over the fact that she had those boundaries, but I couldn't have those for myself. So there that we are all mirrors. We are walking mirrors, and we are constantly shedding light on people's shadows.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Maybe that's why it's called the glow-up, right? Because we're shedding that light on people's shadows and illuminating them for them, right? And it's really like that's a gift. Like I'm blessing you, showing you your shadows, the shit you need to work on. You know, however you choose to see that is on you. Because a lot of times people are not able to, or they don't want to, right? They don't want to, or they're not able, they're not in a place where they're able to take note of that. Yeah. You know, they find themselves a little perplexed and confused as to why they're feeling this way. And it's easier to be like, well, it's your fault. It's your fault that I feel this way because you walked in here and how dare you look. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

But there is, for me, there is what that shows is that you don't feel safe in your current reality, right? You don't feel safe in your, in your body, in your mind. And this presence, this person's presence, this person or what this your boss says to you, you're so on edge. That little bit is gonna throw you off kilter and take your power away because you're you feel so unsafe in your current reality. And that, again, as an empathetic person, I can define empathy for that. But there's like you don't have to stay there. And I think that's one of the most powerful transformations that you can have, and that's what we're speaking into, is that you get to create a sense of safety within yourself that nobody can take away. And that is, I think, the foundation that a lot of us are missing. And a lot of us are, again, pointing the finger outward instead of realizing that you have so much that you can do inward and how much better you're gonna fucking feel when you get to that. But that doesn't mean, like, we're also talking about that that's not gonna come with costs. It is. And there's no fucking way around it, and there is gonna be resistance, and that resistance stops people from doing the work. But on the other side of that is you staying exactly where you are and always feeling on edge and uncomfortable and overstimulated and anxious and depressed and never getting to where you want to go. So you're resentful to everybody and you compare yourself to everybody and you numb out. You really want to stay there? I don't want to stay there. And I think when you decide and you start to do the work and you glow up in all the ways, you also have to protect your energy and not help everybody. Because, like you said, Gab, not everybody's ready. And what I was thinking the other day was like actually we have so much to give, Gab. And that's what I hear about you and what you're saying too. And maybe some of the stuff about you creating boundaries with your family is helping you because you're gonna have to have those boundaries with clients. But there is a sense, Gab, that we have so much to give that we have to find the right people to give it to who are ready. And that's the whole point, I think, of coaching is that you actually need to have some sort of exchange. And that's where the money comes into play because I can't fully give all of myself to you if you're not ready for it. And monetarily allows people to put some fucking skin in the game to actually be able to show up and do the work and not just say, Hey, I'm gonna try to do it on my own and never actually do. And so it's an energetic exchange that I have, I can pour so much into you and I can give so much to you, but you have to be at a place where you're ready to open up to start to receive it. And I think that's the point of doing retreats or doing certain things is that you're creating enough capacity in your nervous system to be able to actually receive the code, the frequency, the change, the transformation. Again, we can't control for anybody. We can't push or force people to be ready for that. You just have to trust that the right people are coming to you and you're getting put in the right situations and taking aligned action to further you down your own path of what's true and real for you. And that has come with a lot of loss and a lot of grieving and a lot of pain. Yeah. And that's true. But again, the work is I think it's a gabar mate that says healing isn't the absence of pain, it's the capacity to hold the pain. And I think that's what people don't understand. Healing isn't avoiding the pain, escaping the pain. Healing is actually having the capacity to hold the pain. And once you can hold the pain, you become unstoppable because a lot of your emotion. No one's doing that for you. You're doing it for yourself.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

And like this is what we've said, right? In past episodes, is like that pain deserves the same care and being held and being loved as much as the love we feel, right? Or the affection we give ourselves or the intimacy, like it deserves the same energy given to it, right? And I think a lot of times we don't. We want to speed up the process so we don't want to sit there. We don't want to hold it. We don't want to become friend with grief, right? We don't want to have it over for tea. We don't want to like get to the bottom of these things. We want it to go fast, we want to speed up the process. And gratification. And it doesn't work like that. It might work like that for a minute, but it will always come back. It will always come back. Yeah. You know, and so it's really important that we learn. And it's funny because this work is it's like this work is healing, work is simple, but it's not easy. It's simple, but it's not easy, right? And because it's simple, it's also easy to put off. It's also easy to be like, oh, I'm gonna do it later, because it doesn't take a lot, right? Like you just can get started. And learning that the work is not, I'm gonna give myself six months to do the work and then I'm gonna heal, and then I'm not gonna do it anymore. No, like this work is ongoing, it's ongoing, it's for the rest of our life. And I think that's where it gets for me, that's where it gets hard. You know, it's because, like I've said before, I like the frequency that I'm at right now. I like living on this frequency, and I hate when I get thrown off. It's such a hard reality, you know, because as much as we talk about the work being ongoing and the journey being the destination, and we're gonna continue to heal, we're gonna continue to have to deal with things in your mind. You know that. But like you said, your body is different, and your body feels all of that. And it comes back, it comes with everything again. It comes with the resistance, it comes with the shame, it comes with the guilt. All these things continue to come up over and over. And the challenge is really not allowing yourself to stay there, not allowing yourself to stay there. Yes, you're gonna get thrown off balance. Yes, you're gonna feel these feelings, negative feelings again, only to remind yourself that you're still human and that you still feel these things, and that in order to level up, in order to feel the greatness that's coming your way, you have to be reminded of the shit you've been through. Because then that greatness isn't going to feel so great if you're not reminded of the shittiness, right? Before you step foot into that greatness. That's what makes it so grand. That's what makes it so majestic, right? That's what makes it magical. Well, that I just got out of this shithole and now I'm here and I'm like on cloud nine.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

But I think it's it's that coupled with doing the work of finding the magic and the mundane in the presence, being able to be present on top of knowing where pain, what the pain has felt like for you in the past. Meaning that I think, like you talk said about Dr. Jojo Spenza, we can get addicted to the emotions of I think grief, pain, anger, because at least we're feeling something, right? But I think too, you also have to train your body and your mind, but your body to feel safe in the things are great, in the love, in the safety, in the joy, the in the aliveness. Because you've also been living in a place for so long where your comfort is in all of like the lower. Negative energy and emotions. So now being joyful, being happy, these things almost feel unsafe because you've gotten so comfortable down here. So it's now like, how are you going to be able to? So a lot of times, you know, my parents will say this. We never had money when I was young. We never had money when I was younger. Now that my parents are at a different bracket, all my mom is worried about is losing the money. So there's never been safety, right? So even when you get the thing, you're still anxious, you're still worried, you're still stressed. Who wants to live like that? Right. So I think you also have to train yourself for safety at every new level. And that's what we're talking about about up-leveling, is that every time we up-level, the real the fucking reality, and I'm gonna say fucking for some more fucking emphasis. The reality of that is there is gonna be grief, there's gonna be pain, there's gonna be things that you have to shed and let go of and retrain your system for at every new level you go through. We see things online of a final product, right? Of an artist's final take of that song. You don't see every single time that person failed. You see the final product. So what we talk about on this podcast and why it's called Relentlessly Authentic is because what we're saying is fucking true. What we're saying is the behind the scenes of what really goes on for people to get to that level of excellence. And what you don't see is every single time that person failed, every single time that person hit a wall, every single time they were uncomfortable, every single grieving. And I think people don't want to hear that because we have shiny object syndrome where we just want to think everything's beautiful and lovely and la di-da. And don't get me fucking wrong, I'm a little joyful, little happy human in my soul, right? But the reality is every single up level you go through is absolutely worth it. But there's things you're letting go of, you're grieving, you're losing in the process of gaining another up level. And that is not going to go away for our entire lives. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think that you get to a point where you have worked through a lot of the wounds and those wounds no longer have such a grip and hold on you where you're operating and behaving from that wound. But I do think that there are things that will re-trigger that wound into another layer of healing as we go down our lives. But it's just there is things you gain and there are things you lose because that's the human experience, right? And so that's uncomfortable. And every up level is uncomfortable, and you're gonna be embarrassed and you're gonna be maybe cringy, and you're gonna be asked to do certain things that are outside of your comfort zone. And every single time we up-level, we have to re-regulate our nervous system to find safety to hold that next level. And a lot of the times, and I want to circle back to something else you said, Gab. A lot of the times we don't get the thing that we want because we don't have the capacity to hold it yet. Because if you had the, if you got the thing, you'd probably lose the money, you'd lose the job, you'd lose the relationship. So you actually want to pray for becoming the vessel that can hold the thing that you want. You want to pray for being able to be, to be the vessel, not pray for the money.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

You need to pray to embody that frequency, the vessel that's- So my friend Tiffany's Soul Ritual in Sebastopol, she said the other day, I'm stopping all the manifestation shit. Like, I manifested my spa, I manifested my car, I manifested this money, I manifested that. She's like, What we need to be manifesting is to be able to keep vibrating at the frequency that we need to vibrate at in order to be able to keep this stuff going. She's like, Because we're not told that. We're told manifest this, manifest that. But nobody talks about what you should be manifesting is your vibration, to what it takes to maintain that vibration. Because not every day is gonna be a good day. And to every positive, there is a negative, right? You know, and learning to balance that all of it and accept it.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

Otherwise, you're gonna self-sufficient and you're gonna fucking lose it.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

So true. I love that she said that because it's so true. Like you're taught to manifest your vacation, manifest your dream car, manifest your glow-up, manifest the man, manifest. But what about like the energy it takes to upkeep all of this stuff? Yeah. Right? The energy that it takes in in the in the mind shift, right? Because, like you said, it's trust. Because I let me tell you, every time good things happen in my life, I'm like almost like I'm tiptoeing into that place and I'm like looking to make sure something's not about to happen. What the fuck? How long is this gonna last? Correct. How long is this gonna last before shit happens and everything gets fucked up again? Yeah. Because that is the mind fuck, right? That is what we have been trained to be like is to live in fear. Even when good things are happening, we can't accept them because we're like, like, how long is this gonna be good for? How long before I go back and have to deal with this shit again?

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

And I think I've finally gotten to a place where I'm not. I'm just like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if shit goes bad. I'm gonna stay here and I'm gonna just go with the flow. I'm gonna enjoy the ride for what it is. And yes, I know there's gonna be bumps along the road. And yes, I know that the boat might flip over, but I'll just get back on.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

I'll just get back on and deal with the bad days when the bad days come. I'm not gonna worry about is this gonna be a bad day? Is that gonna be a bad day? No. Today's gonna be a good day and I'm gonna enjoy today for what it is.

SPEAKER_02 50:14

Like you just have to be present and then trust that you've got your back, regardless of what happens and what comes your way. And then the next layer is what if actually the universe has my back? So what if this shitty thing that I think right now, the story that I'm telling myself right now, which is probably not really true, is that something bad's gonna happen. But what if that bad thing is leading you to ultimately where you want to go? Right. That next layer is the universe has my back, right? So I got into a bit of a car accident. That's why I got a new car. And in that moment, I said to the person, it was like a fender bender, I was like, you know what, I've been manifesting a new car and this is my way to it. So something in the moment where I was like, oh my God, all the money, I got a new car and a dream car, right? Because that was working out for me. So something that we think of as the end of the world, right? Or oh my gosh, all the fear, all the worry, which is normal, right? Our body is gonna go through those bit of stress responses. But the more that you can find the, I don't know, silver lining, right? Doesn't mean we're negating the way that we feel. But most of the time, the story that we're telling ourselves is coming from a state of fear, a state of worry. But what if every what if you could create from creation, from love, from joy? And that's what you're talking about, Gabby, in sense of like we need to pray to be able to be the vessel to stay at that frequency and look through life through that lens. How can we keep holding and creating mind and body in a system that is operating from that level that everything's always working out for me, that the universe has my back.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

And that's where the energy needs to go. That's where the work is in the daily work, in the daily things we do for ourselves, right? Getting up, meditating, journaling, loving ourselves, right? Having intimacy with ourselves, taking the back, right? Putting the lotion on, doing our hair.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Saying positive things and loving.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

Telling ourselves, in the looking in the mirror and telling ourselves, like, I got you, like, don't worry about it. I'm here. I love you. I love myself. I'm I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. It's listening to the high vibrational music, the music that makes you feel good, the music that makes you remind yourself who the fuck you are. Because you know what? If you think about all the animals, all the creatures that that live in this world, butterflies, tigers, lions, do you think they fucking question their majesticness? No, they fucking don't. They just go among their lives. They fly, they walk around, they prance around, they do their thing. They don't question themselves. They don't question their majestic nature. We are at the top, top of the fucking food chain. And we are the ones that fucking question our majestic nature the most. Right.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

And that's partly been of conditioning, right? Because we've been conditioned to question it, right? We've been conditioned to feel like we're not good enough. We've been conditioned to look at marketing, be like, wow, I don't look like that. That means I'm not X, Y, Z. That means I'm not worthy, it means I'm not lovable. And then all the stories that we've been told about ourselves live in our mind and live in our body. And that is a part of your job and your responsibility and your doorway in to healing. But the thing that I don't think people understand is how powerful that is. Because if you think that you can't get a job or you can't make money, or you can't lose weight, or you can't X, Y, Z, you're living in a trap of your own mind. And the more you think that, the more that that's what's going to be mirrored to you in the world. And because you feel that way and you're perpetuating that feeling within your body, right? The more we do and we hold on to that, the more we're just holding ourselves back. But it is scary to start to think outside of that box. It there is a cost to starting to think outside of that box, to start to believe in yourself and love yourself, right? And Gabby, what I wanted to circle back to, and I think maybe we've kind of slightly talked into this before. And I don't remember if that was just personally between the two of us who are on the podcast, is you know, how you feel about yourself is the energy you were admitting, right? Is the energy you're putting out there. So when you felt, Gab, like you were overweight, right? And you were invisible, and people didn't notice you or didn't get notice you or pay attention, is that intuitively what you were doing for yourself and what you were like the energy you were also putting out into the world? And was the world mirroring that back for you?

SPEAKER_03 55:14

Absolutely. Absolutely. Not only was it being mirrored back to me, it kept me small. Right. It kept me small in so many areas, not just physically, not just emotionally, but mentally. You know, I felt like there was just nothing I could do. Like, this is the thing that people don't understand. If you're a gardener, let's say you start gardening at 16 years old and you're like, I'm gonna garden for the rest of my life. If that's your goal, if that's what you've put in your mind, that you're a gardener, then that's all you're ever gonna be is a gardener, right? If you are a gardener and you think, yeah, I'm a gardener right now, but I'm gonna own the fucking company, I'm gonna do this, I'm not gonna do that, then that's what you're gonna do. Like our mind is so powerful. Joe Dispenza says, if we were to put the same energy that we put in our past to our future, yeah, the possibilities are endless. But if we continue to put that energy into our past, then our future is gonna look a lot like our past. Right. And that is so fucking true. Because the reason I look, like when it comes to depression and anxiety, I know that there's like a chemical imbalance and all these things. But I also feel like a lot of it stems from like, if you are depressed, it's because you're living in the past. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. And if you have anxiety, it's because you're so focused on the future.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

Where your energy needs to be in the right now. What can I do right now? What is the one thing I always tell my clients? What is the one thing you can do this week that is gonna change your future? One thing. Journaling, meditating, like just do one thing every week, one new thing every week. And over the course of time, your life is gonna be look so different.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:13

You don't need to overwhelm yourself with needing to do EFT and meditating and journaling and yoga and going on walks one week, right? Like just one thing.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:24

One thing and focus on that one thing for three weeks. Just do that one thing over and over and over. And then you add in another thing and another thing.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

And right now, do it. Don't worry about what tomorrow's gonna look like if you're gonna be able to do tomorrow, if you're not gonna be able to do it tomorrow. Don't worry about that. Worry about right now because tomorrow is not here. And we don't even know if we're gonna be around tomorrow or next week. That is the reality. That is the fucking reality. And the past is gone. You cannot do shit about the fucking past. It's gone. It's done. So forget it exists. There's nothing you can do. You start over today. Get the fuck up and start over today and do today the best you can fucking do today. And tomorrow, you will do even better than you did today. Mindset. And that's how I've learned to live my life. And that's why family, everybody, that's why I'm not worried about how is this gonna get paid? How am I gonna do that? How am I gonna go to Greece? How am I gonna go on vacation to Mexico if I don't have a job yet? If I'm going to San Diego and I don't have a place to live yet. And what am I gonna do? And how am I gonna do it? Like, I'm not worried about it. I know that I'm moving. I know that I'm going to Southern California. I know that I'm starting over. I know that I'm gonna have a new life, right? Then I'm going to support my son. And that's what I know. I don't have it all figured out, but I'm doing what I can today to work towards that. And that's what fucking matters.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Gab, I saw this thing, and I feel what you're talking about is so true. And I saw this thing where type B people manifest much faster. And I think it's at this exact point where you don't have to control everything. And I think type A people literally cannot relate, cannot understand to the fact of a type B person.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

No, because they need to know A B C steps. Correct. Like they need to have a plan.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

That makes them make them feel safe.

SPEAKER_03 59:26

And you know what makes me feel safe is being free. Yeah. Being free. Uh Alan, I was listening to Alan Watts yesterday morning and he was talking about how people that want to live and flow, people that are want to be free, like we're like water, right? There's just no way to hold them in your hand and hold them tight. Because they still, you know, they still like dissipate, right? They need to the way you hold water is by allowing it to be free and let it flow.

SPEAKER_01 59:58

Well, you support it.

SPEAKER_03 59:59

You're the bank. Yeah, you support, yeah, you hold the but if you try to hold on to it to control it, it won't work. You have to let it flow free. And that's I've learned that that's my safety of being free, not being fucking controlled in any way. Yeah. In any way. And just trusting that's love.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:21

In my opinion, that is a sense of love. Because we can't control anyone. We can't control anything. We can try to control ourselves, but there are certain things we can't even control. You know, our body, we don't control our heartbeat. We can try to control it through our breath, right? We have tools we can use to try to control, but we don't really have a sense of control. And I think that sense of not being in control is what creates a lot of the anxiety.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

That's the irony in everything, is that you're trying to live your life under so much control that it's causing so much anxiety in you because you're trying to control a future that you have absolutely no control on.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

And isn't here yet. Another layer of irony is you're creating a future you don't even want because of your current state of reality right now. And I think, again, when we start to lighten our load, right? And to me, that's also, Gabby, have you read the book? Oh my gosh, it's escaping me. I'll come back to it because it's literally has been the most eye-opening book that I've read in a long time. But the more you lessen your load, the higher your frequency becomes, the lighter you become. And in the book, they talk about how why Jesus was able to walk on water because his frequency was so light. Right? His burdens were so light, his energy was so light that he was able to walk on water. That hit me so hard of feeling like I felt into that. That made sense to me, right? I felt that intuitively in my body. When you're able to flow with life and trust one another and trust yourself, you are in communion, I think, with life itself. And that, Gabby, to me, is the state of like what you say, like I just want to live in that frequency. That's the frequency I want to live in. And that's the frequency I find when I'm in Greece or when I'm traveling. Because there is nothing I can control. I can't control if the flight's on time. I can't control who I'm gonna meet. It's like the ultimate sense of you testing your frequency to see what magnetizes to you and how you will react. Because in your day-to-day life, we're in our day-to-day autopilot self, where you know, this is what time we wake up, this is what we have to do, this is where we have to go. Everything is planned out where when you take, you pluck yourself out of this reality and put yourself into another one where there's no expectations of you, right? Nobody knows you, you get to see what you're really fucking made of and who you really fucking are. And from that sense of creation, you're reminded of how fucking powerful you are. Yeah, how much possibility and magic there is and to start to broaden that sense of aliveness that I'm actually fucking alive. You are alive. And I think we lose that sense of humanness of being alive because of how much pressure, overwhelm, anxiety we put on ourselves. And that accumulates in the body over time as stress, and then that stress turns into chronic illness, turns into depression, turns the body keeps the score, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

The body fucking keeps score. Our issues live in our tissues. The body keeps the scores, it really, really does. And let me tell you something. So, you know how I'm going to San Diego? It's crazy. Like, I've been looking for that job that I've been wanting for the last year. Remember that I've been telling you, like, I've just been looking for this job that I that I feel I want, that I need, and I just haven't been able to find it. Tell me why the minute I decided I'm going to San Diego, I started applying for jobs. Rachel, the amount of interviews and people that are reaching out to me, you know, for interviews, for jobs, for phone calls. It's just like made a decision.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

You made a line decision. And then it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

It's crazy to be like, I've been looking for a job here for a fucking year. For a fucking year. Nothing. The minute I decide, like my body, my soul, my mind is like, that's just where I need to be, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

Doesn't need to make sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

For the time being, I'm gonna go over here, right? And try this out. All these jobs like are like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

We call that soul alignment gap.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

I think soul alignment. How much more validation do I need? Because even though my intuition was telling me this is what you need to do, I still have like these doubts, right? Like, well, what about this? And what about that? Even in my family, right? My parents are like, so where are you gonna work and where are you gonna stay? And what are you gonna do? And how are you gonna do this and how are you gonna do that? You know, and I wasn't worried about any of that. But then I started to think, like, okay, okay, you know. So it started to be like, it was just like a week ago that I was like, holy shit, I'm gonna be leaving in like a month and a half. And I haven't even started applying for jobs or looking for anything, you know, out there. And like, I should probably get on that. The minute I started posting and applying. Applying for jobs out there, things just started popping up, getting emails and text messages and Facebook messages and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

Congrats.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

And I'm just like, it's just crazy. Like, how much more proof do I need?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:15

That I just really need to tune in and follow my body. Yeah. Follow what my body needs. My intuition is always going to guide me to where I need to be. I don't know what's going to happen over there. I don't know what my life is going to be yet, but I'm not fixated on figuring it out right now. I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

Step at a time. You're here, you're getting your science, right? If we need some more science, you're getting the science gap. And now it's you just follow through and you're going to be there so soon, right? Your son graduates in less than a month.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:47

In a week.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:48

Oh, well, like, holy shit, Gab, right? And then what like the next chapter, the next level that we keep going on of like this theme of this podcast, your next level is about to fucking begin, Gabby. And I'm so fucking excited to see it and to be with you on it and to be here and to be doing this.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

And like it's just and the the best thing is that I was talking to my sister the other day, and I was telling her, like, the best thing is that I'm not fixated on staying there. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, on to the next place. That's right. North Carolina, here I come. You know, or I even told her I was like, maybe you'll go to Europe. Maybe I'll live in Europe for a while and Italy. Okay, sign up.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

I'm coming.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:32

You know, I don't know. Italy or Greece. Hello. Venice. Venice. You know, I'm not fixated on anything. I'm not like, this is what I'm gonna do and this is where I'm gonna be. I'm like, this is what I'm gonna try out. I'm gonna see what's out there. I'm gonna see what connections I make out there. I'm gonna see where life, I'm gonna allow life to guide me and see if I need to, if I come back, I come back. If I go here in North Carolina, I go to North Carolina, I go to wherever, wherever I feel I need to be. And I like that. I like that lifestyle because guess what? I no longer, my kids are grown. I no longer have to be stationed in one spot because they're they're all going to elementary school or they're all need to need stability. You know, they're in a couple of years, they're all gonna be doing their own thing. And I'm gonna be able to be super free and be able to travel and do all the things that I want to do. I've never done this before. I've never left the area that I grew up in. I've never left the Bay Area, like born and raised here. So it's such 46 years old. 46 years old. And I've never left the area that I've lived. Yeah. And that's fucking and I'm I'm like just was saying last week, you know, I had to move in with my mom. And I'm like, yeah, I have to move in with my dad, but I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that because I fucking know that it's temporary. Temporary. You're not. I'm not gonna be there forever. I'm not gonna be there forever. And when I go to North Carolina, I might have to move in with my sister, and I'm okay with that because it's not gonna be forever. And if I go wherever I go, yeah, you know, it's everything is just temporary. And I don't have to be so gun-ho or so like convinced that this is forever.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

Or like focused on, oh, like I have to move in with my dad, right? Like, no, it's like, oh, I'm gonna do this because it's gonna be my jumping off point to something else. And that's so fucking exciting. Show me, universe. Show me how good it can get. Show me how fun it can be. Show me, right? Like it's your time now, Gab. It's your time, and you're gonna find what is meant for you, what where you're meant to be. Your soul's gonna guide you. You're gonna be shown. I, you know, literally, Gabby, like I have goosebumps along my skin because it's gonna be epic. It's gonna be epic.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:55

Yeah, and it's hard to think that two years ago, I would have never thought, I would have never ever thought that I would be at the point that I am right now, like moving away. This is such a big step, you know, getting up and leaving, even if it is just temporary, whatever, you know, it it's just like such a big transition. And I'm not taking anything with me. I'm just taking clothes and myself and being like, okay, here I am, world. Take the wheel and let's see where it takes me.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

Let's go. Okay, Gab. Well, that's amazing. And please keep us posted on the podcast. We're gonna be asking you for all of the updates. I've got to run. I love you, and catch you on the next one.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:39

Sounds good, Rach. Love you. Have a wonderful day. I'll talk to you later. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

Bye, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:46

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

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